What if the real question isn’t whether government is working hard—but whether it is actually improving people’s lives? How can leaders move their organizations toward sustained improvement? Why are results-driven reforms are so fragile—and what makes them endure? Join host Michael J. Keegan as he explores these questions and more with John M. Bernard, author of Government That Works: The Results Revolution in the States and founder of America’s Pulse.








The Business of Government Hour is a weekly conversation with government executives and thought leaders who are changing the way government does business. Host Michael J. Keegan speaks to guests about leadership, public management, innovation, and their vision of government in the 21st century. Interviews are informative, insightful, and in-depth conversations on topics & trends at the intersection of government, technology, and leadership.